Forget for a sec 'do viruses exist?'!; has being ill ever been shown to transmit between people?
Here is a referenced article from Daniel Roytas via Northern Tracy;
Where is the evidence that viruses cause disease? I have been asking for almost 12 months now, and no one has been able to provide me with a single peer reviewed journal article showing an isolated virus causes disease. It should be so easy to look through the literature and find a study in a couple of minutes, yet no one seems to be able to do such a thing. Scientists and doctors have already done countless experiments to try and prove germ theory over the course of 120+ years, and all have failed.
So I will ask again, can anyone provide me one such study, showing an isolated virus causes disease in humans? If so, I will gladly stand corrected and recount everything I have ever said on this matter. There needs to be a truly scientific and intellectually honest conversation about this. This is the beauty of the scientific method, that we can ask questions, challenge our beliefs, put forward new ideas (that may or may not be correct) and learn new things. Here are just some of the experiments that have been done on the common cold / flu. Many studies like this have been done in other diseases like measles and chicken pox as well, and they have not been able to prove viral causation or contagion.
In March of 1919 Rosenau & Keegan conducted 9 separate experiments in a group of 49 healthy men, to prove contagion. In all 9 experiments, 0/49 men became sick after being exposed to sick people or the bodily fluids of sick people. https://jamanetwork.com/jour…/jama/article-abstract/221687
In November 1919, 8 separate experiments were conducted by Rosenau et al. in a group of 62 men trying to prove that influenza is contagious and causes disease. In all 8 experiments, 0/62 men became sick. Another set of 8 experiments were undertaken in December of 1919 by McCoy et al. in 50 men to try and prove contagion. Once again, all 8 experiments failed to prove people with influenza, or their bodily fluids cause illness. 0/50 men became sick. In 1919, Wahl et al. conducted 3 separate experiments to infect 6 healthy men with influenza by exposing them to mucous secretions and lung tissue from sick people. 0/6 men contracted influenza in any of the three studies. https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?seq=1…
In 1920, Schmidt et al conducted two controlled experiments, exposing healthy people to the bodily fluids of sick people. Of 196 people exposed to the mucous secretions of sick people, 21 (10.7%) developed colds and three developed grippe (1.5%). In the second group, of the 84 healthy people exposed to mucous secretions of sick people, five developed grippe (5.9%) and four colds (4.7%). Of forty-three controls who had been inoculated with sterile physiological salt solutions eight (18.6%) developed colds. A higher percentage of people got sick after being exposed to saline compared to those being exposed to the “virus”. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951
In 1921, Williams et al. tried to experimentally infect 45 healthy men with the common cold and influenza, by exposing them to mucous secretions from sick people. 0/45 became ill. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/
In 1924, Robertson & Groves exposed 100 healthy individuals to the bodily secretions from 16 different people suffering from influenza. The authors concluded that 0/100 became sick as a result of being exposed to the bodily secretions. https://academic.oup.com/…/article…/34/4/400/832936…
In 1930, Dochez et al. attempted to infect a group of men experimentally with the common cold. The authors stated in their results, something that is nothing short of amazing. “It was apparent very early that this individual was more or less unreliable and from the start it was possible to keep him in the dark regarding our procedure. He had inconspicuous symptoms after his test injection of sterile broth and no more striking results from the cold filtrate, until an assistant, on the second day after injection, inadvertently referred to this failure to contract a cold. That evening and night the subject reported severe symptomatology, including sneezing, cough, sore throat and stuffiness in the nose. The next morning he was told that he had been misinformed in regard to the nature of the filtrate and his symptoms subsided within the hour. It is important to note that there was an entire absence of objective pathological changes”. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869798/
In 1937 Burnet & Lush conducted an experiment exposing 200 healthy people to bodily secretions from people infected with influenza. 0/200 became sick. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2065253/
In 1940, Burnet and Foley tried to experimentally infect 15 university students with influenza. The authors concluded their experiment was a failure. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/j.1326-5377.1940…
Addendum: One question that frequently comes up is the old story of giving ‘infected blankets’ to the Native Americans to kill them. This story is a cover-up for the real killer which was again allopathic medicine and their vaccines. The proof is in plain sight as always. They vaccinated them. They got sick from the poisoning and died.
Read between the lines….”vaccinating them would make it easier to” get rid of them.
Another little gem of an addendum I found on FB…….from Terry Allen
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The onus is on those making the claims that viruses exist to prove they exist. I just finished reading all the books of Charles Fort where we get the word ‘Fortean’ from and he wrote this about germ theory. Keep in mind Governments have known for over 200 years that the germ theory is false: “Of all germ-distributors, the most notorious was Dr Arthur W. Waite, who, in 1916, was an embarrassment to medical science. In his bacteriological laboratory, he had billions of germs. Waite planned to kill his father-in-law, John E. Peck, 435 Riverside Drive, New York City. He fed the old man germs of Diptheria, but got no results. He induced Peck to use a nasal spray, in which he had planted colonies of the germs of tuberculosis. Not a cough. He fed the old man calomel, to weaken his resistance. He turned loose hordes of germs of typhoid, and then influenza. In desperation, he lost all standing in the annals of distinctive crimes, and went common, he used arsenic. The old-fashioned method was a success. One’s impression is that, if anything, diets and inhalations of germs may be healthful.” Charles Fort
All these experiments seem like a long time ago, maybe they gave up trying to prove germ theory so thought it worth adding this little gem which happened during the whole AIDS plandemic (yup that was fake too).
December 7th 1994 Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, Greensboro, N.C., Dr Willner (a medical doctor of 40 years experience) an outspoken whistleblower of the AIDS hoax. In front of a gathering of about 30 alternative-medicine practitioners and several journalists, Willner stuck a needle in the finger of Andres, 27, a Fort Lauderdale student who says he has tested positive for HIV. Then, wincing, the 65-year-old doctor stuck himself. In 1993, Dr. Willner stunned Spain by inoculating himself with the blood of Pedro Tocino, an HIV positive hemophiliac. This demonstration of devotion to the truth and the Hippocratic Oath he took, nearly 40 years before, was reported on the front page of every major newspaper in Spain. His appearance on Spain’s most popular television show envoked a 4 to 1 response by the viewing audience in favor of his position against the “AIDS hypothesis.” When asked why he would put his life on the line to make a point, Dr. Willner replied: “I do this to put a stop to the greatest murderous fraud in medical history. By injecting myself with HIV positive blood, I am proving the point as Dr. Walter Reed did to prove the truth about yellow fever. In this way it is my hope to expose the truth about HIV in the interest of all mankind.” He tested negative multiple times. He died of a Heart attack 4 months later 15th April 1995 (yeh right, funny how these naysayers all die suddenly.)
And again from Daniel Roytas via Humanely;
A paper titled “Safety, tolerability and viral kinetics during SARS-CoV-2 human challenge in young adults”1 was recently published in Nature Medicine, one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world. In this experiment, young healthy volunteers were supposedly exposed to the Sars-CoV-2 virus. Many people claim that this paper is proof that the Sars-CoV-2 virus does indeed exist and is the cause of the disease known as Covid-19. This blog post will examine the methodology and results of this paper to elucidate whether or not it actually proves viral causation of disease.
In this experiment 36 volunteers between the age of 18-30 with no previous history of infection or vaccination against Sars-CoV-2, were exposed to the Sars-CoV-2 virus1. The virus was inoculated (syringed) into the nasal cavities of the participants, who then laid supine for 10 minutes and then sat upright for 20 minutes with a nose clip to ensure the virus had “maximum contact time with the nasal mucosa”. Within a few days following exposure to the virus 18 (53%) participants became infected and 16 (43%) remained uninfected. Infection was confirmed via polymerase chain reaction (PCR) and the symptoms of both infected and uninfected groups were recorded.
The first question that must be addressed is how was the virus being used in this study actually isolated? The paper mentions that a nose/throat swab was taken from a single patient supposedly infected with Sars-CoV-2, however no other details are provided regarding the isolation and purification techniques. The authors state that they used the same protocol as the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium (ISARIC4C)2. Upon revision of the protocol ISRCTN66726260 outlined by ISARIC4C, they merely state that the infectious agent is “grown in a laboratory”. The specific details about this process of growing the virus were not apparent.
The fact that the methodology used to “isolate” the virus is not readily available is concerning. Without this information it is impossible to know precisely what the volunteers were being exposed to. In order to prove cause and effect, there must be an independent variable being assessed. To date, every single human or animal challenge experiment in the field of virology has attempted to infect healthy hosts with toxic cell cultures3,4. Virologists have never exposed healthy hosts to just isolated and purified viral particles taken directly from a sick host. Instead, they take mucous from a sick person, add it to a cell culture containing monkey kidney cells and various other toxic substances before starving the cell culture of nutrition3,4. When the cells in the culture start to die, this cytopathic effect is said to be caused by the “virus”. Toxic cell cultures contain many different sources of genetic material (monkey kidney cells, foetal bovine calf serum, horse blood etc) and other toxic substances and are therefore not an independent variable. In other words, to prove X causes Y, you must first have X. Nowhere in this paper has it been shown that scientists had X to begin with. Therefore, it is impossible to draw the conclusion that the volunteers became sick because of a “virus”.
In this study, infection was determined via PCR, however the validity of the PCR test has been called in to question because it is not fit for diagnostic purposes5. The accuracy of the PCR is reliant on the primers that are being used. Primers are short sequences of DNA which hybridize with DNA in the sample. The PCR can only work when the primers directly match sequences of genetic material of the thing you looking for. It is well known that the PCR primers for Sars-CoV-2 were developed without an isolated virus and were instead created via guess work, assumptions and computer modelling5,6. In addition to this, because the Sars-CoV-2 virus was never isolated away from all the other genetic material after being grown in a cell culture, it is likely that the PCR is providing false positive results (ie the PCR is matching with our own genetic material and not a virus)5,7. The diagnosis of disease from a “positive” PCR test is clinically meaningless in the absence of other signs and symptoms.
No Control Group
Nature is supposed to be the most prestigious scientific journal in the world. How is it possible that a study such as this one, which lacks a control group, is suitable for publication in such a journal? The presence of control groups is important because it allows researchers to confirm that study results are due to the manipulation of independent variables rather than extraneous variables8. Without a control group it is basically impossible to draw any reliable conclusion from the experiment.
A control is essential to detect whether people were actually becoming infected from a “virus” or if they were falling ill from other factors. Why didn’t the scientists utilise a control group in this study? It truly is an incredible oversight. This could have been done rather simply, by recruiting a group of healthy volunteers and exposing them to an inert saline placebo. Without a placebo, we will never know if people were falling ill because of the experimental process itself or other external uncontrolled factors.
In this experiment both infected and uninfected people developed symptoms, which suggests people were falling ill for reasons other than being infected with a “virus”. It is well known that exposing healthy people to saline results in the development of cold and flu like symptoms9. There is also evidence to show that people develop colds and flus after having insect powder sprayed up their nose10. Therefore, how do we know the symptoms experienced by the “infected” participants are being caused by a “virus” and are not the result of having something sprayed inside their nasal cavity? Without a control group, it’s impossible to know.
Lack of Blinding
In addition to not having a control group, this study also failed to blind the participants. Blinding participants is important in scientific experiments because it accounts for the nocebo effect. The nocebo effect relates to a person’s negative beliefs or expectations relating to an intervention they are receiving. In the context of this study, every single participant knew they were being exposed to the virus and therefore would have expected to fall ill. The nocebo effect is incredibly powerful and must be accounted for. This oversight must be addressed, especially when recent data suggests that 75% of all Covid-19 jab side effects are attributable to the nocebo effect11.
On one hand, scientists want to blame the majority of jab adverse side effects on the nocebo effect, but then turn around and imply that the nocebo effect is not important enough to account for when experimentally infecting people. Without the participants being blinded, how do the authors know that 75% of all symptoms experienced by the participants in this study weren’t a result of the nocebo effect? There is documented scientific evidence of people developing cold and flu symptoms after believing they had been exposed to a virus, when in fact they had been exposed to an inert placebo12. Why didn’t the authors blind their participants? If they used two control groups, one blinded and one unblinded, they could have accounted for the nocebo effect. Given the lack of blinding, the results of this paper are questionable.
How is it possible, that such a highly infectious and deadly virus only infected 18 out of 36 people after being directly syringed into their nasal cavities? Of those individuals who became infected, why were the overwhelming majority of symptoms mild? We are told that the most common symptoms of Covid-19 are fever, cough, shortness of breath and a sore throat. Of the 18 participants who became infected, less than half developed a very mild or “just noticeable” fever or cough. Do these symptoms really indicate a person became infected? It has been known since as early as the 1930’s that people can convince themselves they are sick and can produce symptoms similar to a cold or flu. The following is a quote from a paper published in 1930 in the Journal of Experimental Medicine “It is very easy for an individual who is being used for a transmission experiment to believe that he has a mild cold although objective evidence is extremely slight or absent. Where, as in the beginning of our work, volunteers believed that we were trying to produce colds, they were self-convinced occasionally that they were suffering from a mild infection”12.
Furthermore, not a single infected person developed shortness of breath (supposedly a hallmark symptom of Covid) or chest tightness. What is even more interesting is that none of the participants developed severe disease, none required hospitalisation or admission to ICU. The authors also fail to explain why participants who did not become infected actually became ill. How is this possible? Is Covid a highly infectious deadly disease or not? Once again, is the mere act of spraying a toxic substance into a person’s nasal cavity, or telling them they are being infected with a highly infectious and deadly virus, enough to make them sick? The authors cannot answer this question because they did not have a control group, nor did they blind the participants.
In no way, shape or form, does the methodology in this experiment reflect natural routes of infection. Growing a “virus” in a toxic cell culture, spraying it into a person’s nasal cavity and then clamping their nostrils shut whilst they lay on their back, is not even closely reminiscent to how a virus is said to infect a healthy host in nature. Why has no experiment ever been conducted for Sars-CoV-2, where people who are sick with the illness (from a natural infection) are exposed to healthy people in controlled conditions? Such an experiment should be done before any other type of experiment in order to prove a natural route of human-to-human transmission is even possible. These very experiments have been done for many diseases like the Spanish flu, chicken pox, measles and Scarlett Fever, however all attempts failed to infect healthy people.
Many people might think that this scientific paper proves Sars-CoV-2 causes disease. Upon closer investigation, this paper isn’t truly scientific in that it does not assess an independent variable, the methodology is not clear so that the experiment can be replicated by others, there is no control group and none of the participants were blinded. Given these obvious and apparent oversights, it’s practically impossible to make any definite conclusions in relation to the results published in this paper.
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